Camping heads up at Escalante

[RDNEK]

Originally Posted by kcon

On the way out yesterday R. Rick was taking a picture of the sign with all the rules on it. Building his case, I don't think you can fight this one. I promptly flipped him off. If anyone wants the "rules" they are on a big brown sign about 2/3 of the way into the canyon on the left just after a cattle grate.

Nice...

Now can someone tell me how boaters from the front range ("rangers") seem to get a bad rep all over the state ???

I have ran into Ranger Rick many times over the past 15 years and have had more than a handfull of discussions with him. Ranger Rick has always been a reasonable ranger and person when I was around.. IMO he is a very stand up guy/ranger and just doing his job..

Might be different if you start off by "flippin him the bird" or act like a arrogant front "ranger" who the rules obviously dont apply to.. So maybe next time you stick to flippin the bird down at the golden park instead of makin all kayakers look like jackasses.. Or dont and keep up that rep of the 303 bro.....

[troutslayer]

I wouldn't blame all that on the front rangers. Us mountain folk arn't always the nicest people to get along with. Had just as many run ins with the 970 crew as the 303 crew. mutual respect just don't be a dick and enjoy the boating thats what were all there for. Ranger rick's gotta do his job, maybe suggest putting up a bigger sign or marking camping rather than flippin him the bird? just use your head next time.

[Ture]

Yep, can't blame only the front rangers. I (a front ranger) camped on the wrong side of the road last year. The non front rangers who camped next to us swiped firewood from my campsite to make their bonfire bigger. The guy who did it was super fucked up and he was nice enough when I asked him about it so no big deal.

In the early morning a non front ranger came into camp, pulled out a flare gun and fired off a round with an explosive charge on it that exploded a few hundred feet in the air and sounded like a cannon shot.

A lot of kayakers are guilty of having a negative impact in that canyon. The partying and big fires are most of the problem, if you ask me. I'm guilty and a lot of the groups I see around there are guilty. The groups are from all over the region... every class V kayaker around is there when it is going off and they party hard at night.

[West Slope Or Die]

I blame the Front Rangers
they are the only trouble makers driving all the way across the state so rude

[El Flaco]

Localism, arrogance and anti-authority counter-culture....

Kayaking - the new Skateboarding.

[Cutch]

Originally Posted by El Flaco

Localism, arrogance and anti-authority counter-culture....

Kayaking - the new Skateboarding.

...and sandbagging. haha. Well put.

[RDNEK]

Ok..

You all know I just love the front range and I may have been a bit heavy handed lumping all front "rangers" into the same pot..

Really I could give a shit if this guy was from Junction, Aspen, denver, or Mexico. Flat out flippin the bird to Rick is chicken shit and I would call who ever out again for it. If he was in my truck and pulled that move I would have thrown his ass out and let him walk back to the "range".. IMO disrespectin the ranger or landowners is not even in the same class as fireworks, drinkin til you puke, guns, or explosives but that is just me.

Not sure how many of you are aware of a small bill that is soon to be killed by the water congress. If we boaters can come up with 2 or so million we may have the chance to vote so that we can run the rivers we have for years. From what I hear this will not be a slam dunk vote more likely a drug out process where the hill boys will spend 4 times what we can and will do whatever it takes to make us look like well dumb asses who have no respect.

So IMO we as boaters need to make sure that not only is your crew not doing this crap but that we keep a eye on all our peers. If you cant read between the lines this year we as boaters need to be on our best behavior caus YOU could be the difference on how folks on the fence will vote......

[climbdenali]

On a different note: which section of the Escalante are we talking about? Where is the OK camping, where is not? Understanding the rules, and getting everyone, front range or not, to understand the rules will make it easier for everyone not to get to the point of needing the flip off the rangers. . .SO. . .where we talkin' about?

[ACC]

Escalante Creek in CO, bro. Google before you post maybe, or even check the guidebook.

Btw, well-stated, Rdnek

[climbdenali]

ACC- Google before I post? What should I have googled to find out what was being referred to- "Escalante?" No need to get all snippy and elitist about me asking a simple question. It's not like I got on here and said, "Could someone please tell me where all the best runs are and how hard they are and how to get there and where you can camp for them?" That would be a question to google for or check a guidebook. God forbid someone have to repeat information on an INFORMATIVE FORUM.

Can you see how "Camping heads up at Escalante" is a bit vague? Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

By the way, I'm not your bro, bra.