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Old 07-01-2005   #21
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Blutzski, that's interesting to know about Embudo. I haven't done it, and haven't been creeking really this season, but that encourages me to consider it more in the future.

All true about the plastic. I love x-link, but linear is morally better, no doubt about that.

However, the Big Gun was not x-link, it was Xytec, Riot's propietary plastic. They dropped x-link for Xytec and then had lots of complaints about breakage, almost all from Big Guns and the comp series playboats that guys were doing a lot more than competing in. Kyle McCutchens broke three or four Big Guns, and while he is a hairboater, he's not all that heavy. I will second the opinion on the Blunt - that thing is a TANK. I swapped mine for a CFS and I'm happy, but the Blunt is super-strong (and heavy) -- boofs well, carves ok, is ok on speed and backendering. I think it does everything OK, not phenomenal at anything but durability, but it is a good boat.

Did somebody say demo yet? I don't remember, so - demo, demo, demo.

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Old 07-01-2005   #22
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Now we're talkin, thanks for all the great beta. Cheers and Beers, SYOTR

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Old 07-01-2005   #23
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How about the Bliss Stick Mac-1? how do people feel about this boat dropping steep creeks and paddling big water (both of which I intend to use it for)? So Far the Gus, Jefe, Nomad 8.5, Embudo sound the best for my size. Any Beta on the Mac 1?
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Old 07-01-2005   #24
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i've always leaned towards european manufactured creekers for the tough plastic, light weight and storage capacity (no pillars). you just can't beat their plastic. i've paddled the same Salto and beat the crap outa it for 4 years now and just this summer got a hairline crack in the snout. you don't see that very often.

the outfitting leaves much to be desired but i've never thought creeking is about comfort and would give up that added comfort weight for less weight on my shoulder for portaging any day. most of my bros that paddle CFSs, Jefes etc.. boats weigh more empty than my Salto does fully loaded. and that matters when your standing in front of the Monstor portage in the Black Canyon, your already thrashed and it's just getting hotter.

something else that the Salto/Embudo have that other US boats lack is speed, and we all know why you need speed.

in a nutshell most US boats to me are heavy, slow, and fragile. it sums up the american way of life.
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Old 07-01-2005   #25
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I have a Prijon Rockit for sale and could possibly make a trade with your Airhead. It is an older creeker, is in good shape and performs well. Displacement Hull... Let me know if you are interested.
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Old 07-03-2005   #26
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Anyone been out in this boat this year that would want to give some information about it's performance ... creeks you have run and thoughts on its performance compared to other creek boats?
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Confluence Kayaks has a Rocker in the Demo fleet. Stop in and give it a paddle.
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Old 07-03-2005   #28
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Old 07-03-2005   #29
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Why is no one talking about the Magnum? I borrowed one from Paddler for a few weeks, and although I was only on Fish Creek about 1/2 dozen times with it I was amazed at how good it was. My creeking boats have been Diablo, Rockit, Topo, Cerro and Salto and the Magnum seemed as good as any of those.

I guess Fish Creek really isn't heavy creeking, just a fast flush but I did like that boat!
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Old 07-05-2005   #30
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I'll talk about the Magnum. A year ago I never would've bought a Riot, then I saw the Magnum and bought one in Jan of 05'. It's one of the best creekers out there--ask anyone who has paddled one. I believe they switched up plastics too. I've paddled lots of V water in CA, some of it high and some of it low, since January and I still feel comfortable taking this boat into the BC for more abuse. I don't really know a lot about plastics, but if my Magnum breaks I will get another one without a second thought--that's how much I like this boat. It's also made my ZG collect dust, it surfs all the fast old school waves a short boat can't touch.

A guy this weekend saw the hull from my rack and asked me if it was the new LL boat. I guess that's a compliment to Riot huh?

The other creekers I've paddled are: Diesel 75, Phat (s), Gradient (LOL), Kix (Biggest P.O.S EVER!), Micro 240 (old design), Huck, and the Gus. Of these my favorite was the Huck, though it was too small for me when loaded. My weight/height is 175--5'10"

I agree to demo whatever you can get your hands on.

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