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Old 06-10-2015   #21
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Before I became shredder-scott, I rocked an IK....I ran a lot of class IV water on clear creek....I ran Lawson in an Ik at above 1,000cfs many times, learned a few things about IK.

1 buy a dry suit...in colorado the water is COLD and the ride is wet....dry suit is way to go.

2 buy padded motocycle tights...wear them....you will swim....rocks hurt way less with pads on.....recommend the Bohn padded tights.

3 buy a high quality stable Ik to start...I ran the Sotar....but the Aire linx is a good boat too

4 make sure the boat has BOTH tigh straps and foot pegs this VERY IMPORTANT !!

5 when you get more skill upgrade to a high performance IK like the Aire force....due to design no foot pegs need, tigh strap is standard......This is a GREAT boat for an experience IK driver. ..high performance comes with a price both in $ and loss of stability. I loved my force.....but learning in the sotar was great....learning in force is possible. ..but you will likly swim more .

6 quality used IKs are available but are not common

good luck IKs are a ton of fun and are capable of running class V water with tthe right boat and driver.....I have personally witness an IK run super max a class V rapid....he made it...scott

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Old 06-11-2015   #22
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Old 06-11-2015   #23
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Originally Posted by johnovice View Post
Did you notice any performance differences between your Lynx and the Sotars? -- difficult comparison I guess given that the Sotars were not identical and the paddlers were also different.
Lynx boats have more of a square footprint, not a really fast boat, but my paddling style is to use the current to my advantage and use the least amount of strokes. You get wet more in the Lynx, it has way less rock than the Sotars. Stars are a bitch to flip back over and re-enter compared to the Aire boats. The Rocker is great until the boat is upside down, it takes considerably more force to right a Sotar than any Aire boat. I can right an Aire and re-enter it pretty damn fast. One of the swims taken on that run ended up causing the swimmer to enter and swim the entire rapid known as Pinball on the North Umpqua. He flipped on a wave called Alligator on the rapid prior. I could have been back in my boat by the time he let go of his kayak and swam the class IV.
Sotars seem un-affected by crossing strong eddy lines and currents. I had to use a lot of body english to cross some tough current transitions without flipping, more stability issues there than on the actual drops. Also, I think it is harder to fill a Sotar with water. The rocker is the reason, I never seemed to fill my wife's 10 footer up, and I've heard those are intended for up to 180 lb paddlers. I'm wayyyy over that. Really, unless you found a REAL good deal on a Sotar, the Lynx is a more budget friendly boat that will take you a few years to reach the limits of.
Also, the bladder system in the Aire is great, I've never had a leak, but it takes very little effort to make an on river repair with the Aire. The Aires are also lighter than the Sotars. Also, I think the Aires draft less water, due to the fact that they have less rocker, putting more tube and floor in the water than the rocker heavy Sotar SL.
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Old 06-12-2015   #24
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I paddle a fair amount of Class IV in my Bandit and have a lot of fun. Like it was said before the big rocker on this boat has good and bad points. You ride over waves and holes until they reach a size where they push you around. So I have to watch the water levels ex: Numbers above 1000cfs. I still run some bigger water but I swim more. My friend Tom seems to punch through waves better in his 2014 Aire Force.
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Old 06-12-2015   #25
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Originally Posted by okieboater View Post
I will go out on a limb here and say it is the most responsive IK I know of.
+1 on the ThrillSeeker Foam floor, small tubes, bomber bracing system. Only Ducky I know of that can be rolled.
"You're gonna be doin a lot of doobie rolling when youre LIVIN IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER"
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Old 06-12-2015   #26
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Originally Posted by LSB View Post
+1 on the ThrillSeeker Foam floor, small tubes, bomber bracing system. Only Ducky I know of that can be rolled.
I've seen a video before, with someone rolling the Aire Force. I've been meaning for a while now to try and roll my brothers Aire Force XL, but everyone we've taken down on an IK has chosen to use the more stable Tributary.

Anyways, I learned on the Aire Force XL. It definitely was a bit tippier than most IK's, but handles more like a hardshell than most.
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Old 06-12-2015   #27
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Originally Posted by LSB View Post
+1 on the ThrillSeeker Foam floor, small tubes, bomber bracing system. Only Ducky I know of that can be rolled.
here's a video of a lynx being rolled. (as you can see it depends on the paddler.)
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Old 06-12-2015   #28
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Rolling IKs....

The old regular size force was a breeze to roll at least on flat water using the extended paddle roll.
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Old 06-12-2015   #29
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ahem,there is a massive difference between rolling in flatwater after a deliberate flip and a combat roll,even the last guy who rolled with textbook perfect form ,except maybe using momentum to his advantage,would probably not be able to combat roll ..the first guy definitely not...if you go by that then my roll is bomber and I should not even ducky 'cuz I'm so wicked in a kayak....there was a guy on here ,Favre,who posted vid of combat rolling a Force repeatedly at a plyspot ,now that was impressive but very rare....getting a bombproof self rescue/reentry is more realistic and will let you step it up a notch ...there is a technique component and a fitness component if you are lacking in either you will struggle to reenter fast..if you get it down it is almost as good as rolling a hardshell...go to a playspot where you will get spanked and practice getting back in quick enough to make the eddy and play again...
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Old 06-13-2015   #30
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Totally agree with your sentiments. The only time I have seen an IK being combat rolled is in the vid you mention.Trying to roll a lynx in any significant rapid would be pretty pretty hard.

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