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Old 07-05-2006   #11
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Your last statement wrapped up the entire thread. Numbers is class III accept #4 & 5 under 1,000 cfs. It is dependant on the person and water level. #2 is a class IV at higher levels and not as hard at a lower level. No one sand bagged South Lander what so ever. If he is boating IV-V he should know not to believe everything he read and scout the hell out of something new like that. Good paddling to all.

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Old 07-05-2006   #12
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Gotta love it.... people arguing about ratings. I especially love the habitual downgraders who think that just because they are comfortable with a run then it must be class III or IV. But seriously, unless you need to pump up your ego, shouldn't it just be about running each individual river/rapid and rising to your own personal best? Who really gives a f*ck about "official" classifications, even though there is no such thing. I think crcreeker has it right, and that ratings simply help people decide which runs they might be able to safely tackle. Beyond that, make your own decisions.

And to bowen, why the harsh on raft guides? Some of us are professional boatmen and not simply twenty-year-olds working a summer job. Many of us have been paddling kayaks for a long time but happen to make a living driving fatties in the rubber bus. Just because you don't guide doesn't mean you're any better than those of us who do. I guess I'll spare the insults.....


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Old 07-05-2006   #13
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everyone should use the difficulty.consequences scale for rating rapids. bailey is more technical than alot of stuff, but really fluffy, eg four falls would be like 5.3 (sans log, i heard it was removed, maybe a long time ago; and its pretty easy to get to shore before the next drop in FF as a swimmer, since its bony slackwater) but its a much longer runs than alot of the V/V+ around the state, so if you break your arm, your more screwed, so maybe 5.3.5 (or 5.3C as Addison had it) supermax, w/ the undercut/is there still a railroad tie? is a much more solid V5.5.5 drop. gawd thats a beautiful drop.. and rraft guides classifications? theyve got a whole slew of different considerations that can rate a rapid alot higher (or even lower)
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Old 07-05-2006   #14
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Ok, so I'll be honest here...I grew up in Illinois (Flatlander), then went to college in West Virginia (Great Boating !!!). I moved here and had been climbing and paddling for some time....come on, its COLORADO!!! STUFF IS BIGGER!!! I got used to it so can you....sandbagging is a waste of time......NO YOUR LIMITS and HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jah Rastafari!!!!!
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Old 07-05-2006   #15
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It's all class III if you're on line.
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Old 07-05-2006   #16
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Raft guide clasifications are always more, because you can charge more for a class V.
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Old 07-05-2006   #17
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yep its comical, if the numbers is III then parkdale is class II, blah, blah.
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Old 07-05-2006   #18
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Welcome to Colorado prepare for a swim.
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Old 07-06-2006   #19
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for most rivers im going to agree with you, esp. the arkansas, but take the taylor at low water, gets rated III by raft guides, but man oh man, for a class III drop like initiation there sure alot of invisible pin rocks, i mean, in a low volume boat, youve really got to be on your toes through there, getting a totally clean line out of it definately demands some in-rapid experience, i think thats the condition of the whole run actually.. whereas the rafts just float right over the hazards, meanwhile they call the slot a IV, the line is really tough to hit in a raft, cause its so narrow, and they dont take tourists on it (maybe cause of access difficulties) but in a kayak its a straight shot

but yeah normally i agree with you, lots of big wave trains are overrated by raft guides, probably for bounce-out scare factor, rafts get to ignore lots of underwater hazards playboaters need to consider
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Old 07-06-2006   #20
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Originally Posted by brandf
It's all class III if you're on line.
Aren't they all!!

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