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Old 05-02-2007   #1
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Bailey at 250 Anyone

I'm interested in running Bailey tomorrow at 250. If interested give me a call. I've run it once at 500, so I'm looking for an experienced Bailey paddler who knows where to stop and look.

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Old 05-02-2007   #2
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let's do Bear Creek at 300 instead! I love bailey, but the bear is runnin'

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Old 05-02-2007   #3
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I haven't done Bear is it hard?? Short??
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Old 05-03-2007   #4
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It is short, and not too hard. That being said, there has ben much carnage on the bear this year. I know lots of good boaters that have been beaten down, myself included. There are lots of (mostly easy) holes to punch, lots of rocks to try to avoid, and a a few decent sized drops. There is no one drop that solidly deserves a V rating, but when you stack it all up, it gets pretty close. Some may call that sandbagging, but that is how I see it.

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Old 05-03-2007   #5
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Originally Posted by cbrobin View Post
I haven't done Bear is it hard?? Short??
I'd bet that if you've done Bailey at 500 and ran everything but Max & didn't feel too stressed, you're probably fine for anything you'll come across on Bear. If you ran Max at 500, Bear will be totally fine for you. If you walked all the big drops at Bailey, you'll want to look at some of the drops at Bear, but it's still comparable in boating skills necessary.

Bear is a little tigher and a little mankier, but the consequences of a swim aren't too dire in most cases. It has a sketchier feel because there are so many willows hanging over the bank (and overhanging branches, right Dave? Corey? me?) and the run seems like there are few eddies or exits. Of course, if you DO swim, those willows really do make it so there are few exits; especially in the section below the dam. I highly recommend a full-face helmet.

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Old 05-03-2007   #6
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I'd say do Bear Creek. The first time pull over at No Fun Falls and look at it. I think it is class V at this level. It is class V because there are a handfull of significant class IV moves to be made to avoid holes all the way up to the 8 or 10 ft lip of a fall that lands in shallow water with a hole at the bottom that I have seen hold onto many people. If you go over the falls upside down or swim over it then you might break some bones and maybe, just maybe, it could kill you. I call that class V. If you are pretty much fucked if you swim a rapid and it is does not take much of a stretch of the imagination to imagine a scenario in which a decent paddler could end up swimming then that's when I start thinking it might be class V. I would not call No Fun Falls class IV at any level....well maybe at 125 cfs when you can get out and walk if you get stuck on a rock. I might listen to someone argue it is V- because it is not especially violent or powerful, but nothing lower than that.
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Just my opinion - but if you're walking SuperMax. I think Bear has a different character @ 300 than Bailey @ 500. I am more nervous on the drive up to Bear.

I would recomend waiting for this weekend(for virgins) when it will be lower. Unless you have been in your boat alot & are interested in doing some dancin'.

That being said - I can be there at 3:30 today.

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I second Cliff, Baily at 500 and above is nice and padded, and really other than the top half of Max and the first drop there is not to much to worry about. Bear though at 300 is pretty manky with tight moves and holes that should be hit pretty straight. Not to mention all the wood everywhere, and a significant absence of eddies. Leave Bailey until it comes up more and go get some on bear would be my advice. As to the class V thing, I would go ahead and say it is a V, not any one move deserves a V but with the speed and multiple moves piled on top of one another it starts to add up. Especially if you get worked in the last hole above no fun and run it backwards elbow to elbow with another boater. Could be a lot worse without your boat around you though! On second thought, why not do bear in the morning and Bailey in the afternoon?

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Old 05-04-2007   #9
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I appreciate all the feedback.
I decided to go to the Pueblo Play park. i just bought a Burn and I only paddled it on Pine Creek at 280 (not exactly pushing myself). I found I needed to outfit it a bit more.
My roll went to hell because my 4Fun is so easy to roll.
Twice i had to try a second roll at PPP. Bear doesn't look like it would cut me that much slack.

I admit that I have slight fixation on Bailey. The section between 4 falls and Super Max is suggestive of the Silver in Michigans UP(and its a whole lot closer).

But, hey, the water's coming up. Life is good.
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Here's my take. Bear is no harder than Bailey and 250-300 in Bear is alot easier than 150-200. At 250-300 the rocks are buried but it's still not pushy. The willows are more of a factor at low water when FU rocks screw up your line and push you toward the willows.

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