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Old 11-18-2006   #11
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cayo; travertine is a mineral (feels soft and crumbly) deposited on rocks associated with water rich in calcium carbonate (caco3).

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Old 11-19-2006   #12
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ok,so a travertine stream is water rich in said mineral, exhibiting the characteristics mentioned before. The texture of the rock is coarse not slippery so a lot of times you can climb up falls and if it;s bony it;s kind of grabby.Travertine marble is beautiful and popular in fine homes.

Anyone find any pics of Agua Azul?I can't search on this pos must have exact web address,please post address if you found something.

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Old 11-19-2006   #13
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i'm absolutely interested in gettin crazy in AZ this spring. I live in AZ and stayed in Buena vista all summer. I wonder if we met per chance (not that there aren't a million kayakers in CO). but if u want the inside scoop on what is a 1st D down here, I can likely tell you or find out quickly.
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So I was also in BV this summer and am now in AZ. Anyways, what's the rest of fossil creek like, has anyone run it or scoped it out all the way to the verde? Also, anyone run or scoped out the falls on cibecue, specifically the 40-50 ft spout looking thing?
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Old 11-19-2006   #15
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me and another guy from phoenix ran it all the down to the verde; from the springs. Its great, but look for flows around 150 or higher to hit the lower, or you will be out of the boat (I'd say it would be a solid 5 at higher flows). The hike back to childs will kick your ass!

If you run Cibeque; be careful cause the white mtn. apaches will kick your ass too!
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Old 11-28-2006   #16
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Hey Huckin'AZ ,Hydroholic,or anyone who knows,

There used to be a book by American Whitewater 'Whitewater Inventory",havn't seen it for a long time, it had a table of runs for every state with varying degrees of beta , for Arizona it named a couple with no info except; East Verde VI, Chevelon VI Little Colorado VI they may have said 5 or 5+ but you get the point ,just the name of river and very difficult rating.I have heard people talk about Little C {and visited the falls},but never about the other two ,apparently somebody has run part of them a long time ago. Surely the whole thing is not hairball. Do you know these runs are there easier sections?I guess the book got replaced by the website.

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I ran Chevelon a couple of years ago, and it was one of my all time favorite runs. Very similar to the Black Boxes on the San Rafael, but the limited beta and walled in nature made it pretty intense. There was definitely some unscoutable walled in IV+ and a couple of Vs, but a group of solid boaters should be fine.

We drove to the put-in of East Verde and we had missed the window (apparently by about 8 hours). It looks really good, and apparently is the best run in the state. Class V with some clean 15-20 foot waterfalls.

The flow window is the big issue with AZ. We were there for 7 days and got skunked for 4 - and that was in the middle of a big rain event. That means runs rarely get done, hence the limited beta. Flows are so inconsistent that a pre-planned roadtrip is almost out of the question. If you go try to get an introduction to a local boater.
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Old 11-29-2006   #18
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There are parts of Chevelon that are super easy. The stream flows northeast at a slight dip; the best part about the stream is that it cuts through sandstone which creates the "walled in feel" doublet is talking about. If you are going down there this spring let me know, Im going in march
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Old 12-02-2006   #20
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Alright Bula ,you show us some travertine but don't say where it is,my 1st guess is Semuc Champey,Guatemala, Rio Cahabon runs through a cave underneath it and water percolates up to form the pools and little falls.Above the cave is solid continuous 5/5+, at the bottom you can jump off a 50 ft. cliff into a pool followed closely by a 3+/4- type rapid.

Second guess some side channel at Agua Azul at really low water,can't think of any trails that would give you that camera angle .

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