Are you serious? She got hooked by a hook Phil, he didn't "beat her down."
That guide got that woman into that situation and the events that followed were his fault Phil. As for my mentality, I think it is absolutely on of the funniest things I've ever heard! Finally, some poor old fisherman gets even for all the rude boaters out there that think they, "own the river!"
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill Phil, she got hooked. It was a fish hook Phil. Spilled milk buddy, don't cry over spilled milk.
The dude didn't assault her. He kept on fishing and do you know why he kept on fishing when some lazy commercial guide drifted into his fishing hole fisherman Phil? BECAUSE PHISHERMEN HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY!
actually it is literally both civil and criminal assault and battery. your rules were pulled out of someone's ass, and they have no bearing on the legal issues.
never aspired to boat the taylor, but, if anyone ever hooks me they can count that they will then not be able to find refuge on private land, nor will they fend off an ensuing retaliatory paddle up the rectum by citing these "rules" of the river. assault and battery justify trespass in order to aprehend the criminal, which is what should have been done in this case. the guide may have taken a wrong turn, he is also a coward, and therefore doubly to blame.
If you want to have this discussion in person, so I can keep you in check, I'd be happy to do so, but I'm not responding to the subject at hand because you're obviously unqualified to have an opinion as you are a fool.
Watch yourself Don. Have some respect or I'll earn yours at the expense of your pride.
Are you serious? She got hooked by a hook Phil, he didn't "beat her down."
That guide got that woman into that situation and the events that followed were his fault Phil. As for my mentality, I think it is absolutely on of the funniest things I've ever heard! Finally, some poor old fisherman gets even for all the rude boaters out there that think they, "own the river!"
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill Phil, she got hooked. It was a fish hook Phil. Spilled milk buddy, don't cry over spilled milk.
The dude didn't assault her. He kept on fishing and do you know why he kept on fishing when some lazy commercial guide drifted into his fishing hole fisherman Phil? BECAUSE PHISHERMEN HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY!
I find it funny that you think Assault and Battery are justified because someone interferes with someone else. A fish hook in the face and a beat down are all the same in the eyes of the law. His intent was to hit someone with the hook. That is the assault. When he hit her, it is battery. Now I'm no Criminal Justice major, but to give someone a "Beat Down" is also Assault and Battery, therefore it is the same thing.
Now you call this "Spilled Milk." Have you ever been hooked in the face? It F-in hurts. Now before you call me a baby, please hook yourself in the face to prove me wrong.
Regardless of if it was the guides fault, it is still wrong to intentionally hurt someone because they pissed you off. Do you ever punish your children for hitting someone because they are mad? If not then I can see why you think this is ok, but if you do then what you are saying is hypocritical. Or is the fisherman REALLY justified in attacking someone because a boat came into "His" fishing spot? On that note, as a fisherman, I have never had problems catching fish when a boat passes by. They don't get spooked as easy as one would believe. It seems from the actions of this guy that he was an amateur and doesn't know any better.
As for the "Poor Fisherman," dont cry for him either. Where there is water, there are most likely boats. He knows the risks. After all, it's just a boat, Ryan.
If you want to have this discussion in person, so I can keep you in check, I'd be happy to do so, but I'm not responding to the subject at hand because you're obviously unqualified to have an opinion as you are a fool.
Watch yourself Don. Have some respect or I'll earn yours at the expense of your pride.
I'm sure Don can defend himself on this one, but I have to interject.
Did your Father beat you as a child? Were you the "Bully" at school, or were you the one that was picked on? This goes to your mentality, which I find hilarious. I can threaten you ALL day on a forum. It's pretty easy sitting here in my office feeling all "High and Mighty." No one can touch me, I am a God. I can also tell you that I will earn your respect at the expense of your pride because once again, I am a GOD behind this screen. I can invite you to a fight, but we both know that I am not going to travel to Utah, and you aren't going to travel to Colorado to prove this.
I can also claim that YOU are not qualified to have a say in this argument, but how would I know? Why would I care? You are entitled to your opinion, as am I or anyone else who cares to have one on this topic.
I do not agree with the fisherman because I feel it is stupid to hurt someone because they upset you. From your posts I gather that you think it is ok to do whatever you want to someone in the event they wrong you. In my opinion, your mental state is a little out-of-whack with the rest of the world.
Take offense if you wish, which I'm sure you will. Threaten me, which I'm sure you want to. One thing that will not change though is my opinion of you, which I'm sure you don't care about. But if you do, then why respond?
Ok Phil, so I under-exaggerated the extent of her injury and for doing so I will conceed that he had no right to do such a thing, if caught he would probably have been convicted of some kind of crime.
That said, Phil, as a fisherman, don't you think it's rather annoying when you're fishing and having punk guide sails into your fishing hole with a boatload full of tourists?
I spent my early 20's on the Taylor River, boated it more than any other. I've been yelled at by fishermen before and I never felt like I didn't deserve it.
The reason that I don't have any respect for a guide who antagonizes those old people who sit on the side of the river and fish is because those old fellas aren't fishing the rapids. Those old guys fish the slow spots. There's no excuse for not being able to avoid them.
Gotta make room for the fishermen. They don't want you floating over their holes because it scatters the fish. As Nealy says, "IF A FISHERMAN WANTS YOU TO COME OVER AND ASK HOW THE FISHING IS, HE'LL CALL YOU OVER." Otherwise, leave him alone!
Like we discussed earlier, you're the fisherman and boater, I'm the layman who boats. All I know is that there were fishermen before there were rafters and kayakers and sometimes as boaters we forget that we aren't the only ones on the river. Do you think that's fair?
The same goes for you. Why do we have to resort to threatening each other? Does no good in my book, do unto others, or so they say.
At any rate, well put in your second to last post. It is annoying, but as to scattering the fish, MAYBE for a few minutes. Trout, along with most other freshwater fish are territorial. They will come back, and so will the boaters. No big deal.
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antagonistic (& probably pierced) raftguide punks conducting a full-on assault on wobbly grandpas who ply the backwater pools for their family's sustenance??? HA! not in my neighborhood! this aggression will not stand man!
clearly something needs to be done, & that something is a word that starts with "vio" & ends with "lence"! i see any of these yahoos charging headlong into some poor, mindin'-his-own-beeswax old-timer's special place, & i'll personally not only be puncturin' rubber, but i'ma be puncturin' skullz & eyeballs too! power to the pole swingers, i say.
There are more trout in the taylor river than almost every other river in the continental US. I doubt the boater scared away all 5,000 fish in that mile of river. And if your pissed because you can't catch a fish on the taylor, you need to get another hobby! As a fisherman and boater I know that those fish get spooked for abot 2 minutes then start feeding again. In fact I've caught fish within 3 feet of a raft floating by. Some people just need all the excuses they can get.
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