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Old 05-10-2010   #1
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Article: Are Colorado Rivers Really Highways?

I can across this article on-line today, from Saturday's Summit Daily News. Thought it worth posting to the list, as I think some comments from the boating community are in order.

Sigh...my initial impression is that the writer has never been on a raft trip in his life. I am considering the rest of response.

Michael J. Mitchell: Are Colorado rivers really highways? | SummitDaily.com

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Old 05-10-2010   #2
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thanks for posting, I enjoyed writing a response to such a poorly thought out piece

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Old 05-10-2010   #3
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This is a pretty disturbing article by someone who should no better, if he indeed is a fisheries biologist. The impact of river boating on fisheries is minimal at worst. Last I checked, they weren't putting portapotty stations in, on, right next to the water. He's making the grand assumption that the entire banks of a river is or will become a put-in/take-out. I wasn't aware that fish only spawn and lay eggs specifically where we put-in and take-out. At least I know where to fish now. right between the thousands of rafts and kayaks that are polluting the river with just their being present on the water.

Nevermind the fact that more damage was done to these rivers in a 30 year period during the mining boom of the 19th century, or all the road construction where they just seemingly chuck bits of rock off into the river, or the dams they erect to block a river or landowners who make lowhead dams under the max limit set by USACE so that they do not need a permit for so they can make their little private fishing ponds and post poles in the river with "No Tresspassing" on them so they can call the cops everytime they see a boat on the water approaching their precious "private personal space". Afterall, those are their fish.

Yeah, the guy's a twatter who needs to be bitch slapped. You're right, he's probably never boated a river.
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What a d-bag. First off all of the degradation he mentions would be caused anyway without people floating. Streamside trails, parking lots and such are all used by fisherman. I'd bet most all of the trash is from fisherman vs. rafters as well.

Does anyone have this guy's email? I'd love to see his credentials, his degree is probably from Univ. of Phoenix or Devries.
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Old 05-10-2010   #5
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why does this guy think the bill would change anything? These landowners and this dumbass think that there are no regs for boaters and the bill would let "anything go"
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Old 05-10-2010   #6
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The bottom line is everything we do causes some impact, as long as your way of helping to kill the planet is not the mainstream approach, you will be criticized, judged, and attacked when resources are tight. This is human nature. I looked at this guys picture and I think he eats too much. I think if he cares to save the planet he should stop stuffing his face, 70 years of overeating would surely have some environmental impact. Look at the impact humans create with food production. Could anyone argue that this is not damaging the planet, but everbody has to eat right? So we don't talk about that, we focus on things that we don't value. Boating is a fringe activity and will always be the focus of someones desire to divert attention from the real issues like overpopulation. It about human nature not logic.
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Wtf is this guy talking about? Its interesting that the Ark, Fork and CO are some of the most heavily floated as well as some of the best fisheries in the state. Riparian zone? Last I checked those even had highways that ran along them. Fly fisherman and rafters generally share the same sense of being stewards of the resource. Somehow he equates floating with unfettered bank access. The dude is definitely backward.

Rivers have been the highways of America for thousands of years and should continue to be regardless of changes within the laws of recent history. That's my take.
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Old 05-10-2010   #8
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Originally Posted by mr. compassionate View Post
What a d-bag. First off all of the degradation he mentions would be caused anyway without people floating. Streamside trails, parking lots and such are all used by fisherman. I'd bet most all of the trash is from fisherman vs. rafters as well.

Does anyone have this guy's email? I'd love to see his credentials, his degree is probably from Univ. of Phoenix or Devries.
Let's not fall into the trap they've set to pit boaters against fishermen - it's the classic divide and conquer scenario. The interests of public boaters and fishermen are closely tied weather we like it or not. The real issue at hand is of public use vs. private use, and I'd contend that private use is just as detrimental to the environment as public, maybee more so.
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OK, who wrote this:
Who's to say my floating down the river is any more damaging to the planet than Mr Mitchell's propensity to eat more than he needs to sustain himself.
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Old 05-10-2010   #10
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Ok I am going to say it...

Every one of the "right to float" issues we have seen in the past 10+ years does not have much to do with floating but rather the fishing of these streams. Many studies have shown that fisherfolks have the highest rate of conflict not with people just floating but with other fisherfolks.

The only reason these rivers are getting shut down is because of fishing - float fishing and fly fishing.. So I would not expect a support at large for the right to float from the fishing community... TU (trout unlimited) will not support any right to float anything.

From what I expect articles like this will be the norm and not the exception as we move closer to Nov.. Opinions like this should high light how hard it will be to get the votes needed in Nov..

I have also been float fishing for 20+ years and was a commercial float fishing guide for 10+ and still get out fishing more than most here around the Ark. I am not sure where the fisherfolks feel they get the entitlement to shut down the river but from what I see it is pervasive attitude in the fly fishing community today..

Just a opinion but I would give anyone 5 to 1 odds on any bet the if any bill just said you had to have permission to float fish over private land that all of this right to float stuff goes away..

I hate to say it but the "right to fish" may just sink the "right to float".....

Something to think about..

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