Originally Posted by Osseous
Again- aside from personal perception (bias?)... is there a meeting you can site where fishermen rallied for low flows? Seriously- the interests in state like this can benefit greatly if riverfolk band together (access issue for instance) rather than snipe at each other. What is the basis for this "low flows for fishermen" point of view? Seems the drought made this call- not a relative few fishermen who are politically motivated?....But I'm all ears if there's some actual evidence that they "won" some battle for low flow?
Not going to go over the entire history of the Ark for ya - but yes it is in the notes of the CTF (that is the citizens task force as it sounds like you have never heard of the CTF) as well as RAAC and AROA meeting min. It is well documented and yes the spring component of the program was changed about 5 years ago. You can look up the fact that 50,000 acre feet was moved this way this past winter - at the request of the fishermen before we knew what the snowpack would be (again a fact).
The only reason this is done is so that the Ark can be kept as low as possible for the fishermen in April/May.. The historical water level records are a good place to start if you want to dig in.
If you want to call the AHRA (all CTF notes are public record) call the AHRA for the past meeting min and look it up. In fact while you are at it you can look up the CDOW study from 2002 that started the ball rolling on this.
Most recently (this past month) is that the same fishermen and folks at wildlife want to see 0, none, zip released for recreational flows and only release this water in late Aug and Sept to "keep the river cool" for the fish. Another truth that is documented and can be looked up!!!
It is a fact that the low flows in April - May are due to the spring component of the VFP specifically done for the fishermen and lately under the disguise of "early fry emergence". Last year and according to wildlife the water was so high that we should have seen a drop the the fry that made it through but we did not... Again the fry did great in a high water spring last year! You can also read on the meeting min where fishing reps to the CTF say the low water is specifically done to keep the water so low that it discourages boating as "even 1 boat that comes by when fishing can be too many" again a direct quote from the fishing reps to the CTF - look it up!!!!
If you want to come to a meeting in person the next one will be on July 12 - 9:30 am - in Salida and is open to the public. Our private boater reps are Jim Mcgee and Leslie Tyson. Water transfer in the winter/spring is a agenda item and we are going to go over the way the water was moved this winter and plan for future water years so it can be done better.
Maybe this will settle any "conspiracy" theory's that you may have???? If not invite you to come on down and educate yourself as it seems you know very little about what happens with the water on the ark.
Also and my opinion as a 30+ year private boater here on the ark - we all need to look to logan and push the AHRA to put him on as our private boater rep as he wants to do it, would be a great rep, and will stay abreast of what is going on. He can also get the info out to all private boaters better than almost anyone I can think of. Our current 2 reps do a very good job but just dont live in Chaffee or Freemont county and are not as passionate about getting out the correct info to all us private boaters as logan would be.
As far as personnel bias.. Yea I am pry more passionate about the Ark than most, I have guided fishing trips here on the Ark for over 20 years, and have been private boating/fishing on the ark for 30+ years. Grew up here and I do know all the major players in this game by a first name and a handshake. Higher water in the spring will only let more people access the river and will not harm the fishery at all..
If you or anyone ever wants to discuss how this all works over a beer - if you ever are in BV let me know I would be happy to talk it all over with you.
So now let me ask you osse where you are gettin you info?? How could you come to the conclusions you have or even think this? Where is your information coming from? Where is it documented that I am spinning some grand conspiracy theory? I have told you where to get the answers to your questions so please help me with mine...
Hope it helps understand what went on and why. Trust me I do have better things to do but feel that if all boaters work together we may be able get more water released in April/May. This in turn would give the municipalities the ability to see if there is a drought year before moving water. This works better for the boaters, municipalities, and local communities. The only folks who will fight this will be the fishermen - and this osse is another fact....