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Old 02-18-2013   #11
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The quick answer is that it's done fairly regularly.

DavidL (who posts here from time to time but must be off doing something more fun than scanning the Buzz) runs a fourteen footer on the Grand, and does quite well. A few years back, I did a three boat trip with two guys rowing fourteens, and they did fine.

I row bigger boats for the most part, and I admire the skill that people bring to the task when they successfully run the Grand in smaller craft.


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Old 02-18-2013   #12
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2008 High water event I rowed a mini-me down the grand. We had two thirteen foot otters and a 16 foot Hyside. One of the thirteen foot had a perfict run. Take the 14 and have some fun. Lava is the only one to worry about but s can happen any where.

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Old 02-18-2013   #13
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Took a 14' 6" STAR and a 14' SATURN down the grand. Both never flipped, great trip.
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Old 02-18-2013   #14
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did one trip in a big tube 14 hyside, light load and only an occasional passenger. fast & manuverabe boat made for a very fun trip. ran the meat on everything at 10k level and never had a hitch except for catching a surge in one hole and getting stopped pretty good at house rock

on another trip at 12k level, shared rowing duty on a heavily loaded 18 footer with 1 or 2 passengers. felt like a barge and left me wishing i was back in the 14
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Old 02-18-2013   #15
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did it last april in a 14 foot nrs. really fun and never flipped. i felt like i had way more maneuverability than the bigger boats on the trip.
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Old 02-18-2013   #16
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I've taken my 14' Avon Adventurer down three times and really like the way it rigs up and handles on the river. I have flipped it on all three trips but mostly from being stupid or just going big!
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Old 02-18-2013   #17
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I love posting on the buuz. thanks for all the great testimonies!
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Old 02-18-2013   #18
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rig to flip, dress to swim!!
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Old 02-18-2013   #19
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Originally Posted by Rez072 View Post
You should consider downsizing to a 9' raft. Hyside makes some nice ones:
Watching those vids and others, I think most people don't realize how easy Lava can be if you backferry in as close as you can to the last big rock on the top right. You fight the boil a little, then it's a straight shot to hit the v-wave center with a touch of left angle, so you're kicked out to the middle and hit the bottom waves straight and charging. Otherwise first you're scrambling right to avoid ledge hole, hitting v sideways, and then struggling to get back middle.

The boil/pillow at the top's stronger than people think.

No room for anything off--perpendicular in a small boat.
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Old 02-18-2013   #20
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I ran my 14' VG and had a blast. If you don't want to go big, you can run the sneak lines around the bus-eating holes on the big rapids and then all the other rapids that no one talks about are a real kick - the Jewels, the Roaring 20s, etc. If your crew doesn't need you to row a gear pig then it's the best way, IMHO.

Also, I'm not sure but I think David L may actually be running a 13' Hyside on his yearly GC trips.

[EDIT] Oh yeah - you'll be getting wet a lot more than the other folks on the big boats. You probably don't need to hear this but rig to flip, dress to swim, every single day.

Have fun!


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