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Old 04-09-2009   #21
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other than single-chambered air-inflated
devices or seaplanes.

Thank god I can still get drunk and pilot my sea plane around leagally!

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Old 04-09-2009   #22
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It is the flatlanders (front range) fault!

Didn't a boat capsize or collide with another boat, a year or two ago on Chatfield Res and some people died? I remember alcohol being involved.

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Old 04-09-2009   #23
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Originally Posted by riverdoghenry View Post
Last summer on the Deso, I saw this guy from another party passed out drunk floating down on a big fat wide Paco Pad. He was not in control at all and made it about 7 miles.

His Paco would meet the "other than single-chambered air-inflated
devices" requirement.

I would love to be in court observing a Paco Pad argument!
"Your honor, I was most certainly not operating a watercraft. I was on my inflatable sleeping pad which happens to float. I thought the middle of the river would be a nice place for a nap."
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Old 04-09-2009   #24
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Originally Posted by Mr Beaver View Post
If someone started a political action committee to change this, I might have to contribute.

Its just wrong.
Probably a losing proposition. I can't imagine many pols getting behind an effort to rescind a law they just passed, especially when they'd be accused of making it easier to drink and boat. Mothers against drunk driving (MADD) is a considerably more powerful lobby than Kayakers in Favor of Floating Debauchery.

I am now curious what other sorts of crazy state laws might refer to "vessels" as defined by CRS 33-13-102. It still seems dumb to subject a Dagger Kingpin to the same laws as a speed boat with a 60 horsepower engine.
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Old 04-09-2009   #25
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i thinki know who started this one. where's yakgirl i think she is needing another turkey/ rescue.
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Old 04-09-2009   #26
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Do you think we could also use the argument of define "Operating"

I wouldn't consider what I do drunk on my raft "operating" but more like screwing around.
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Old 04-09-2009   #27
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People that have seen me row my raft will guarantee I was not operating it.
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Old 04-09-2009   #28
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I would be curious as to what your rights are in terms of determining if you are drinking. If you refuse a test in a car, they can take you to jail, and if you refuse a test their your driving license gets revoked, however if you refuse a test on the river, would it revoke your license? Then the matter would go to court, and would the officer say your boat was crossing lanes in the river? Also, if its a raft of many people, who would be the driver?

I heard of people getting BUI's but most got dropped in court. I had a cop tell me technically a person operating a wheelchair drunk, and in public could get arrested for it.......

my 2 cents.....
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Old 04-09-2009   #29
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Last year my buddy and I floated through town on a booze cruise. It was in the middle of the summer when all of the floatillas of college students were out getting hammered. The sheriff's department was motoring upstream checking them and handing out tickets. Most of them were being ticketed for underage drinking, though. They left us alone, I think, because we had proper gear and we didn't raise a cold one while they passed us and of course we are a couple of old men. It definitely made us think!
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Old 04-09-2009   #30
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Originally Posted by FreeKickHero View Post
Yeah, they don't define vessel in that particular bill, but in the first paragraph of page 12 of the bill the disclaimer of FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "VESSEL" HAS THE MEANING SET FORTH IN SECTION 33-13-102, C.R.S.

And then in the complete Colorado Revised Statutes, under that particular section a vessel is defined as follows:

33-13-102. Definitions
(5) “Vessel” means every description of watercraft used or
capable of being used as a means of transportation of persons and
property on the water, other than single-chambered air-inflated
devices or seaplanes.

Pretty broad definition, but kayaks would fit in there.
You could also blow the baffles in your raft then it would be a single chambered air inflated device.

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