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Old 10-19-2012   #41
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Originally Posted by phlyingfish View Post
Like others have said, this reads like an unintentional dis' that crawled under the skin of people still bathing in the afterglow of a huge accomplishment. The larger point, which wove through the discussion of Jeff and Ben, was that this sport has no pinnacle. Progress is just that, one step forward. "[E]ach push like this opens up new territory. Itís an illustration that there are no last great problems, because each solution of an old 'great' problem just creates some new challenge for the next generation." That doesn't belittle Ben's accomplishment, but it does put it in context.

With the advent of "straight to internet" kayak videos, perspective frequently seems to be lost when big shit goes down in kayaking. You get the athletic feat in exquisite HD, but you often lose the context. Calling it a first descent and myopically focusing on the athlete who pulled it off often obscures a lot of groundwork (two nice exceptions: Grand Inga Project and Kadoma). Sure, the athlete is the one who sacked up and threw down, and in this case Ben Marr deserves a lot of credit for the run. Dude has been on an absolute tear for the last couple seasons. But what about the safety team or the people who put the river on the map? Ammons has always been good at restoring that sense of perspective -- based, of course, on his particular view of what is rad in this sport.

Obviously there is a fair amount of ego in play on both sides. But simply observing that there will always be a bigger challenge out there doesn't change the fact that Ben Marr ran all of Site Zed first. Likewise, being the first to run Site Zed doesn't entitle you to anything beyond respect from those willing to give it. The river certainly doesn't give a shit.
In my opinion, this is really all that needs to be said.

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Not to interrupt the pissing match, but is Ben's run on Site Zed the one that starts at about 3:30 on the ?


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Probably it's big couple moves in a dark gorge.
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Not to interrupt the pissing match, but is Ben's run on Site Zed the one that starts at about 3:30 on the ?

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Well, this thread is starting to fall apart... but I wanted to say that I really appreciated most of the comments in it.
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i'm just glad ben marr ran that shit before the creature crafts
Amen! Think of the ranting bullshit this thread would have been instead. Well done Ben!

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