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Old 12-10-2004   #21
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A few things to consider:

urban sprawl is ugly... garage doors that dominate the aesthetic of the neighborhood. large lawns that are sucking the water out of the arkansas river(and others). traffic. not knowing your neighbor. noise. summit county. vail valley.

local politics... our county commissioners are realizing that if we fill the county with 2.5 acre ranchetes the water table will be more depleted than it is now, and our beautiful expansive valley floor will be no more. hopefully they will pull back the reigns on unchecked sprawl.

pursuit of hobbies... less yard work, less property to manage. two minute walk to trails/river/errands.

environmental benefits...tens of thousands of gallons of fuel will not be burnt. less vehicle maintenance. reclamation of tainted land. utilization of green building products. 300 less septic tanks and leach fields.

misc...block parties. no DUIs. community building. selbys giving best 3 acres of river front property to the town!!!(who does that?), so guaranteed, any other owner/developer would be building houses right there on those banks.

this project will revitalize the dying down town BV. it will stimulate growth, smart, sustainable growth. did i mention how fun its going to be to live there?

just my biased .02

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Old 12-10-2004   #22
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Cemartin, I give you props for speaking out on this development and I respect your desire to not see condos when floating the upper Ark. But pick your battles wisely man. Some are worth fighting, but this outfit seems to be doing everything possible to be green. If you want to fight sprawl in the mountains let an example be set on how to develop wisely and then others may follow. Growth is inevitable and the Ark Valley is no exception. Otherwise the mountains will continue to be compartmentalized into 5 acre "ranchitos." It's like environmental groups protesting the clean energy of wind turbines because they occassionaly shred migratory birds and alter views; there's a bigger picture to look at and sacrifices have to be made.

Two cents spoken.

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Old 12-10-2004   #23
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These are some harsh (and hollow) words.
Frankly, I think the whole development idea sucks. We should keep the land near the river as pristine as possible. It's already a clusterfuck down there anyway, but at least you don't have to look at some goddamn development every hundred yards yet.
There's my two cents.
I have to wonder how much you actually know about the South Main project. This is far from modern development. What is taking place in South Main is a way to "keep the land near the river as pristine as possible."
The Selby's bought this property out from under someone else who was going to prohibit public access to the river. With South Main people will know what will be build near the river and there will be public access to the river and all of the open space within South Main, there will be no surprises. As well, what you will see from the river is a bike path and one spectator area next to a play spot, you will not be looking into peoples back yards or at their decks built out over the river.
Don't forget the stretch of river that runs along the South Main boundary is within the town limits of BV. How pristine can a town run be? Creating higher density housing in town can allow for less development out of town where land should be pristine and untouched.
It has been pointed out in other comments that population growth is a reality. Don't you think that there is a need for developers who are taking a proactive stance to attempt to grow in a responsible manner?
I know that the Selby's have spent countless hours researching ways to grow in a responsible manner. I also know that they are two of the most open minded people that I have ever met and would listen to any constructive ideas that you might possess regarding a better way to grow. To say that the idea sucks and that you are opposed to it does nothing more than create friction. If you have any real ideas about how to grow in a more responsible manner then please post them, I know they will be read by people who care.

I also know that no matter how much you oppose development you will love to play at the sick playspots that are going to be created due to the South Main Project, specifically Katie's hard work in securing the GOCO grant.

Thats my fifty cents.
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Old 12-11-2004   #24
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Dear cemartin, I appreciate your post. It is not a given that development will ever be a good thing. In fact, I can't blame you. I too, am an environmentalist. I think over 95% of development completely sucks. What would make you think this is any better? It's good to see people care about what happens, especially to an amazingly beautiful place like this. Katie and I completely understand the task at hand.

In response to your comment, one thing that is commonly forgotten is the importance of quality human habitat. From an environmentalists perspective, all the different habitats are important. We can't ignore the humans. The most radical environmentalist does not propose to tear down Main street and replant the trees that were destroyed. The environmentalists need to keep an eye on creating human habitat so fine that the people don't want to leave the cities and towns and develop the countryside. That way nature can be left as nature. The type of development we are doing is called New Urbanism and it combines most of the daily necessities into one neighborhood. This allows people to do the things they need to do without stepping into a car. After competing on the professional kayak circuit for 6 years I have burned more gas than the average person. I am so sick of driving I could puke. The biggest downside to kayaking is the amount of driving involved. My dream, created out of this driving, is to give kayakers another choice, to walk. The land that we own is adjacent to downtown BV and is in the city limits. Our goal is to create something thas people cherish as much or more than the nature we disturb. If you want to talk more about or have any questions, feel free to email.

Yours truly, Jed Selby
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Old 12-17-2004   #25
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Jed - What are the lots going for? What will the price per sq foot be? Any ideas? thx. Oh, and I like the idea. To hell with cemartin. We need a place to live, too.
Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.

I wouldn't say I've been *missing* it, Bob.
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Old 12-18-2004   #26
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Tim walker,

If you want you can email or call me and I'll give you all the info.

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Old 12-29-2004   #27
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