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Old 08-03-2011   #11
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Thanks for all the suggestions.

Hey, thank you all for all the constructive advice guys. The Pro-tec is DONE, maybe I'll hang it on the wall with the bill from the hospital. I will start trying on new helmets as soon as my face can take it and I suspect they will be full-face lids. I would never DH with out my DOT approved Shoei full face and I think I should give the same attention to my noggin in the water.

Boat choice was also questionable, I was in my LL Freeride, that I had only been in the water with once the day before. The folks I was with were all in JK Funs so I just went with what they were doing. These guys also are more highly skilled than I though, should have taken that into consideration. I have a JK Super Hero and probably should have brought that one out. I can actually roll the Freeride quite well..... when there's enough water.

There will no longer be my wallet and phone in the boat. Photocopying my drivers license and insurance card and getting them in my PFD will most likely be the move. Also a paper list of phone numbers for the folks I go with will be included. My key was in my board shorts so at least I had that.

As far a experience in the group, we had a pretty wide range from super knowledgeable and once a certified instructor, former raft guides, to me, the least experienced. One had experience in this section of water and knew the run, where to hit stuff, etc. I was definitely the weakest paddler and should have been more vocal with my discomfort in the terrain. The mindset of trial by fire needs to be leveraged against the possible consequences. I made a poor assessment of how quickly problems can compound in moving water,.. this is a lesson learned.

I will most likely set up a private lesson or 2, or 3, before heading out again. There are definite holes in my skill set and I am a newbie. I've been bumming info from those around me and reading all the books I can get my hands on. To be 1 on 1 with an instructor that can point out the holes and correct them will most likely be the best way to advance. I'm going to take a bit of a break, do some mountainbiking, maybe backpack for a weekend to let everything settle and then I'll head back to the water.

Thanks again everybody !! Its support like this that really makes me enthusiastic to become involved in this community.


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Old 08-03-2011   #12
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It is also very good to think about not just the difficulty of the run, but the consequences of messing up. Fast, continous, and shallow class III has much higher consequences than pool and drop, deep class III with lots of eddies. If the consequences of being upside down are very high, then I would only run things where you feel totally confident in your ability to stay upright. In other words, for higher consequence runs, downgrade yourself one level (only run high consequence class III if you are a class IV boater etc..) High water might add another whole rating (or two) to things as well.

I can think of "class III" runs that I would feel comfortable taking a complete beginner on because they are so low consequence (deep water, lots of eddies, pool and drop style. Other "class III" runs should only be done by people who are completely confident in their brace and their roll (class IV or V boaters).

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Old 08-03-2011   #13
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I just tightened up my helmet and checked the fit to avoid a similar accident. Thank you for sharing your lesson.
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Old 08-03-2011   #14
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Good on ya for posting this. I got my A$$ handed to me in Bogan Canyon trying to step up my game this year and the singular thing that helped me most was getting back in there with a good crew at lower water. Got my mojo back that day and feel like I'm twice the paddler I was when I swam that section. After I swam, I realized I needed to improve my strokes, my scouting ability, and staying cool under pressure. Took that knowledge and started working on making tough lines and eddies on runs that I knew very well. Although I feel so much more confident now (since I've worked on my deficiencies), I'm not just bombing down any new run without scouting cuz I know the river will eventually get me and SWIMMING SUX in scary places. Now get your dome healthy, pick up a new helmet and get back in there! be safe and thanks for posting
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Old 08-03-2011   #15
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Excellent share. Stuff like this reminds us to mind our safety gear.
Personally, my biggest helmet issue is going from cold to warmer waters- where I wear a head warmer(NRS hood thingy) in very cold water but when it's not needed for warmer temps the helmet strap is loose, still adjusted for the hood. Since it's the last thing to put on before sliding in the water, "I'll tighten it later" turns into "I need to tighten this now!" after rolling and it's sliding all over my head.
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Old 08-03-2011   #16
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You can find helmet threads all ovver the buzz. You have felt what (essentially ) not wearing one feels like. It is really impressive to take a big hit with a good one on and feel it actually work.
Glad you are ok.
On clear creek and other high blast rock runs I always wear my full face.... hell, it's way more comfortable than my none full face.... I have pelretty much gone to wearing it for everything. Elbow pads are huge on some of our creeks as well.
"We should restore the practice of dueling. It might improve manners around here" -Edward Abbey
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Old 08-03-2011   #17
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I paddled with a crew of 3 (1 lady, 1 American, & 1 British guy) and the Brit carried a laminated EKG in his vest!
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Old 08-03-2011   #18
most weekends up on the payettes, Idaho
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I wear a full on cascade face cage (almost like a lax helmet)

I know it looks a little fruity on the main payette.
I took a hard hit about 15 years ago and it scared me big time---almost made me give up kayaking.
The face cage is a crutch for sure but it makes me much more comfy----hard to drink a beer w/o a sippy straw though.
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Old 08-03-2011   #19
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Since you say you are a rookie, how tight are you in your boat? Remember that this is your new lower body and you'll need it to fit just right for maximum control.

One other thing I learned early: "Cuban hips" - keep'em loose and sashaying!
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Old 08-03-2011   #20
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cuban eh?

My fit is actually real tight in that boat. I might suffer from white guy hips though, deff not as "loose and sashaying" as they should be. I am also not impressed with my reactions to losing balance. I don't think my reaction with a brace happens quickly enough. When you practice, you know that you are going to fall and on which side. I haven't talked someone into tipping my boat for me so I actually have to react,.. Quickly... like I said, lots to learn and the feedback on here is super helpful..

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