Originally Posted by Avatard
It's a pure numbers game. We've submitted for the last 8 years (typically about 20 submissions) and only had two successes on favorable dates.
Considering 100 privates can pick the same day, the odds say if you are in a big group, your odds are about 1:5 as the group
Anyone know how much commercial outfitters pay for the rights to take 20 people down the river at $2K a pop when it only costs the noncommercial users about $200 to do the trip?
Mf Permits run about 500K depending. That is on the low side from what I have heard. Then they pay something like 6% or 9% straight off the top to the FS. If you have 6 or 8 guides working a full trip add another $800 to $1k per day. Insurance can run up to 10K per season. And that is before you factor in 30K worth of boats that need to be replaced every 5 to 10 years.
Plus the other stuff. I know outfitters. Some do pretty well. Low water hits and you have to shell out another 50K to fly in your last six trips and then you get a job banging nails or working on the mountain and still try to do your marketing through the winter
And service your debt on the purchase at 25k to 50k per year. And that is just interest.
Everyone should try to be an outfitter for a while.