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Old 06-05-2008   #1
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14ft cat on cat or the gand

Last year I bought a 14ft aire lion cat. It has proved to be a very stable boat. I chose this boat for two reasons 1st I wanted a cat 2nd the min. size of a suport boat on the grand is 14ft. Some people have expressed to me their opinion that 14ft is not nearly big enough for these trips. I think if you are skilled you should be able to handle it.

Anyone got an opinion on that?

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Old 06-05-2008   #2
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Small but doable

I would think a 14 or 16 ft boat would be doable if you're experienced. Wild ride though. I wouldn't want to try to flip it back over by myself if it's loaded as a support boat.


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Old 06-05-2008   #3
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Square up and punch it!

People take 14' rafts and cats down the Grand and Cat all the time. As I recall, the aire lion has a long water line and big tubes. Load that puppy up, and trust the capabilities of a cat. As you probably know, they're very forgiving and capable boats. You might have to avoid a few giant holes, but you'd be wise to avoid those features in an 18 footer too.
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Old 06-05-2008   #4
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I took a 14 raft down in Jan and had no problems whatsoever. I wouldn't sweat it if as you say you are good.
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Old 06-05-2008   #5
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I know two guys who have taken 14' Ocelots (small diameter tubes) down the Grand, both did fine.

Naturally, your mileage may vary....
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Old 06-05-2008   #6
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Three trips witha 16' Hyside cat, no problems at all (except that one time in the ledge hole at Lava). One of the next two trips I plan on taking a a very
lightly loaded 12' cat. You will be able to take all the aggressive lines, just keep it straight and smile.
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Old 06-05-2008   #7
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Just got back from Cat @ 50K...Joe styled the big drops (20-30' waves, holes, etc) in his cat with a hero line to boot....the rig flipped right after that with a different rower in not so big (under 20' waves).


Took 6 people to get it upright. Ohh, and all the hard shit on the deck and oar rig flipped violent enough to bash a boater in the head...there was blood.

Anyway, depends on the rower I guess.
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Old 06-06-2008   #8
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We had two cats that size when I did the Grand and there were no problems.

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Old 06-06-2008   #9
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The biggest limitation for your cat

will be the amount of cargo you can carry. Done the Grand 3 X in 14 SB. Gear stacked to the ceiling. I'd say you'll most likely only be
able to carry your share of gear. Hopefully there's plenty of 18' rafts to haul
cargo on your trip.
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Old 06-06-2008   #10
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I've had relatives that took down old school Selway bucket boats in the 11-12' range down the GC--ones with 12-13" tubes.
Size is relative......

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